in fact, you know, very sober commentators in commenting on the roberts court on the eve of the health care decision, noted how extremist, how radical the four or five -- i won't call them conservative, the right-wing justices on the court were in terms of literally -- one thing jamie hasn't talked about is citizens united, and he will express this far better than i do, they literally called back the case in order to open a jurisprudence -- >> you talk about judicial activists. >> activism, that's right. >> well, judicial -- i mean, for one thing, the masterpiece of judicial activism was, of course, "bush versus gore," where the supreme court intervened in democratic politics to stop the counting of ballots. then a decade later, we get citizens united, where the court says, "you know, we don't like the questions presented, even by this conservative group, citizens united." all they were saying was, "don't treat our made for tv pay-per-view movie like a tv ad." and i think anybody could have gone along with that. they said, "that's not quite sweeping enough for us.